This is a reminder of my childhood. It's why I don't offer my opinion on any of it. People of this generation simply don't have a clue as to the history of the area--and they don't want to learn about it. The one thing the Arabs want to do, is destroy Israel. That's it! They always have. Damn it, those Jews though...they are a resilient lot. I remember Arafat and how much he hated Israel. They ALL hated Israel, and swore that they'd destroy it. And then Israel stood up like David facing Goliath, and that's all she wrote. When Sadat offered peace and Israel accepted, the Arabs killed Sadat. Yes, Israel is right, and still, the world blames them for defending themselves? If they didn't, the Arab world would swoop down and wipe them out. Would the world condemn them for it, or say, yeah, but they had it coming. I might not say much, but I'll never support the Arabs. I'm sorry there's been such senseless killing, but it's always been senseless...and it will probably never stop. When this is over, they'll go back to the drawing board and do it again in another twenty or thirty years.
In my childhood, most Americans were solidly behind Israel. I live in NYC. We are constantly beseigned with anti Israeli demonstrators. When I was a child, New York did not suffer the sight and sound of Arabist A holes raising hell and hoping for a holocaust.
I doubt the assertion in 6. d. Of the population of Mandatory Palestine as 40% Jewish. The census of 1922 showed about 78% Muslim, 11% Jewish, 9.5% Christian. https://www.cjpme.org/fs_007
I will have to examine this. My source, as I think I noted, was "The Rape of Palestine," published in 1947. However even if mandatory Palesine was 11 percent Jewish, the boundary between a Jewish state and an Arab state would be farly close to the Jordan River and much of the West Bank would be in the Jewish STate. As I said, mandatory Palestine, originally consisted of what is today Israel, the west bank and Jordan, which is relatively huge.
Incdentally: speaking of Jordan: The British gave control of Jordan to the Hashemite family. The French gave control of Syria to the Alawite sect. If those sects weren't in the hands of Hashemites and Alawites, who are a scant percent of the population of those states, those land masses could be given to the so called "Palestinians."
I have been re-reading Elie Wiesel's memoir, Night, as well as some of his speeches. What would he want to tell Israel and Palestine if he were here? If he is looking down from the ether worlds, surely he is shaking his head in despair.
I learned a lot from your post, but am also considering what Dr. Gabor Maté said on YiuTube six months ago. His words are what convinced me that Netanyahu missed a great opportunity to do the right thing by the Palestinians. Then again, Iran backed Hamas - awful bestial acts must be countered.... this is damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Still, innocents are suffering. And chances are all the remaining hostages are most likely killed by the Israeli bombs.
Peace would be wonderful. Obviously. But I find it very difficult to trust anything uttered by the Arabs.
I look at the way Arabs and Islamics treat one another, and I shudder to think of how they would treat Jews if given the chance.
For example, during the Sunni-Shiite warring in Iraq, following the toppling of Sadaam, Sunnis, when killing shiites, weren't content to simply kill them; they used power drills to bore holes in their brains. And this was reported by the New Yorker, a rather liberal, erudite journal
In Syria, in 1982, the authorities killed every inhabitant of the city of Hana, fearing dissent from religious hard liners.
Do You know how the Iranians cleared mine fields during their sick blood bath with Iraq in the 1980's: They instructed 15 year old boys to run accross minefields. They told them to wear white so the blood of their "martyrdom" would show up more brightly.
I know this will sound bigotted or close-minded and some people will even say that I am a bit of an Archie Bunker, BUT their aspirations, dreams and entire Weltangshaung (world view) is drenchd in blood and stinks of the charnal house.
I agree with you that Saudis/Arabs are not our ideological allies. I hate that Trump kowtows to the Saudis, funders of terrorism against USA. I hate that Trump kowtows to Putin. I hate feeling hate towards all MAGA cult members. So basically, peace seems impossible on this planet.
But you love that Biden releases billions to Iran to fund attacks on Israel? That Biden has ties to corruption in the Ukranion government and is over eager to give them billions? That China had been emboldened to invade Taiwan do to Bidens bumbling and incoherent international actions?.. There is a lot not to like about Trump but the world was a better place when he was Pesident than the current President and his rainbow administration of clowns.
Hostages are ONLY killed by Israili bombs because Gazans will bring hostages to a site that Israel announces that they are bombing so civilians can escape. In reality it is Gazens who are responsible for ALl hostage deaths.
Yesterday, Saturday, February 8th 2025 we've seen the reality of 3 male hostages coming out of Hamas ruled Gaza after 491 of physical and psychological torture, beatings, deprivation of food and much more 😓
This is a reminder of my childhood. It's why I don't offer my opinion on any of it. People of this generation simply don't have a clue as to the history of the area--and they don't want to learn about it. The one thing the Arabs want to do, is destroy Israel. That's it! They always have. Damn it, those Jews though...they are a resilient lot. I remember Arafat and how much he hated Israel. They ALL hated Israel, and swore that they'd destroy it. And then Israel stood up like David facing Goliath, and that's all she wrote. When Sadat offered peace and Israel accepted, the Arabs killed Sadat. Yes, Israel is right, and still, the world blames them for defending themselves? If they didn't, the Arab world would swoop down and wipe them out. Would the world condemn them for it, or say, yeah, but they had it coming. I might not say much, but I'll never support the Arabs. I'm sorry there's been such senseless killing, but it's always been senseless...and it will probably never stop. When this is over, they'll go back to the drawing board and do it again in another twenty or thirty years.
I agree with you completely
One further thought:
In my childhood, most Americans were solidly behind Israel. I live in NYC. We are constantly beseigned with anti Israeli demonstrators. When I was a child, New York did not suffer the sight and sound of Arabist A holes raising hell and hoping for a holocaust.
I doubt the assertion in 6. d. Of the population of Mandatory Palestine as 40% Jewish. The census of 1922 showed about 78% Muslim, 11% Jewish, 9.5% Christian. https://www.cjpme.org/fs_007
I will have to examine this. My source, as I think I noted, was "The Rape of Palestine," published in 1947. However even if mandatory Palesine was 11 percent Jewish, the boundary between a Jewish state and an Arab state would be farly close to the Jordan River and much of the West Bank would be in the Jewish STate. As I said, mandatory Palestine, originally consisted of what is today Israel, the west bank and Jordan, which is relatively huge.
Incdentally: speaking of Jordan: The British gave control of Jordan to the Hashemite family. The French gave control of Syria to the Alawite sect. If those sects weren't in the hands of Hashemites and Alawites, who are a scant percent of the population of those states, those land masses could be given to the so called "Palestinians."
PS., under no circumstances do I want Jews killed, not even the ultra orthodox even though I deplore all extremist forms of religion and politics.
I have been re-reading Elie Wiesel's memoir, Night, as well as some of his speeches. What would he want to tell Israel and Palestine if he were here? If he is looking down from the ether worlds, surely he is shaking his head in despair.
I learned a lot from your post, but am also considering what Dr. Gabor Maté said on YiuTube six months ago. His words are what convinced me that Netanyahu missed a great opportunity to do the right thing by the Palestinians. Then again, Iran backed Hamas - awful bestial acts must be countered.... this is damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Still, innocents are suffering. And chances are all the remaining hostages are most likely killed by the Israeli bombs.
Thank you for your response.
Peace would be wonderful. Obviously. But I find it very difficult to trust anything uttered by the Arabs.
I look at the way Arabs and Islamics treat one another, and I shudder to think of how they would treat Jews if given the chance.
For example, during the Sunni-Shiite warring in Iraq, following the toppling of Sadaam, Sunnis, when killing shiites, weren't content to simply kill them; they used power drills to bore holes in their brains. And this was reported by the New Yorker, a rather liberal, erudite journal
In Syria, in 1982, the authorities killed every inhabitant of the city of Hana, fearing dissent from religious hard liners.
Do You know how the Iranians cleared mine fields during their sick blood bath with Iraq in the 1980's: They instructed 15 year old boys to run accross minefields. They told them to wear white so the blood of their "martyrdom" would show up more brightly.
I know this will sound bigotted or close-minded and some people will even say that I am a bit of an Archie Bunker, BUT their aspirations, dreams and entire Weltangshaung (world view) is drenchd in blood and stinks of the charnal house.
I agree with you that Saudis/Arabs are not our ideological allies. I hate that Trump kowtows to the Saudis, funders of terrorism against USA. I hate that Trump kowtows to Putin. I hate feeling hate towards all MAGA cult members. So basically, peace seems impossible on this planet.
There is quite a difference between Saudi Arabia behavior and the Iranian and islamic state of ISIS followers who committed most of these atrocities.
But you love that Biden releases billions to Iran to fund attacks on Israel? That Biden has ties to corruption in the Ukranion government and is over eager to give them billions? That China had been emboldened to invade Taiwan do to Bidens bumbling and incoherent international actions?.. There is a lot not to like about Trump but the world was a better place when he was Pesident than the current President and his rainbow administration of clowns.
Hostages are ONLY killed by Israili bombs because Gazans will bring hostages to a site that Israel announces that they are bombing so civilians can escape. In reality it is Gazens who are responsible for ALl hostage deaths.
In between we've seen hostages brutally executed in tunnels while IDF was approaching the neighborhood.
Yesterday, Saturday, February 8th 2025 we've seen the reality of 3 male hostages coming out of Hamas ruled Gaza after 491 of physical and psychological torture, beatings, deprivation of food and much more 😓